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Post  Perry Gamsby on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:54 pm

I have long been a fan of short sticks like the Yawarra stick, Kubotan, Dulo Dulo/Tabak Maalit and so on. Extend that to pens and the 'Millwall Brick' or rolled up newspaper, those collapsible umbrellas and such; all nice bits of kit, handy to even out the odds and of course, perfectly legal to carry. Anyone care to comment, disagree, offer an anecdote etc?

If not it doesn't matter as I beat Nick to this thread... and BN. Perry
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Post  Peter on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:34 am

They aren't legal to carry in the UK I'm afraid Perry. But then, very little is unless you can make an improvised weapon out of a bar of chocolate Rolling Eyes
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Post  theycallme-Sam on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:37 am

Peter wrote:They aren't legal to carry in the UK I'm afraid Perry. But then, very little is unless you can make an improvised weapon out of a bar of chocolate Rolling Eyes

Cadburys Whole nut is a killer - Well maybe if your attacker has a nut allergy. Very Happy

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Post  David Turton on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:41 am

I am graded in Yawara-Bo and have taught and used the skills for well over 30 years.. great piece of kit
BUT, as with many weapons, its the SKILLS you should be taking out on to the streets not the weapon itself.

I have used a small spanner and a large felt tip ink marker as substitutes..

there is a bone of contention between the chinese and japanese as to the origins of the weapon
the chinese claim it stems from chop-sticks, the japanese from the folded fan ...
some great locks can be used as well as strikes

I once had a students back in the late 70's (thats 1970's Admin not bloody 1870's) who found some great ways of improvising yawara-bo methods
one guy was a bit of a 'hippy' and he made one all carved and painted out of bone, drilled a hole through the top and hung it around his neck of thin cord.... he could grab it, yank the cord and use it in less than 2 seconds
the other was a businessman who bougt a strong cigar tube the correct length and thickness, kept a havan in it and could use that well from the top breast pocket of his suit

good weapon

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Post  Perry Gamsby on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:24 am

Sorry to hear the UK is that way, but then so are we. If you carry a bar of chocolate for the purpose of self defence then you are a bad person. If you have a pen (for signing autographs of course) and poke holes in his face with it, different story. Personally, by the time the police arrived, providing I was still there, the yawarra stick would have been returned to the Universe to carry on with its journey, grasshopper. (Reminds me of the cop who advised if you are going to have a baseball bat in your car... keep a glove and ball there too as it makes it easier for them to let you go)

I like the Havana in a tube although nowadays there are fewer places you can smoke without getting castrated so that might be a double edged sword! Laughing Not only that, have you seen the price of a decent Corona nowadays?

I do agree it is the skills that count. Almost anything you can fit in your fist can be used in a similar way and I do like to be tooled up if I can. What's the benefit of an opposing prehensile digit if you don't make use of it?

I recall applying my Kubotan key ring to the spine of a belligerent, hopped up yob one night and he ignored me. I then placed it rapidly against the skull, just over the ear where the bone is thickest and he stopped beating up my partner albeit momentarily. I then man handled him to one side before throwing him out the door. I believe he made it 300 metres before he collapsed but by then we were comparing rips and rents in our suits in the back bar over a stiff one. Point being it helped but it didn't have the immediate effect I saw printed on the box... Either I didn't hit him hard enough (and I did hit with all I had in two good spots) or perhaps, just supposing.. the drugs had something to do with his lack of response? Still, given everything else we had thrown at him up to then, without the kubotan I doubt we would have ended it there. He was not a big bloke, just very naughty.
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Post  Raymond Page on Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:02 am

Perry,
Probably a daft question,but what's a " Millwall Brick " ?
I just like the sound of it. Smile
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Post  Ade on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:05 pm

here you go....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwall_brick

surprisingly robust things,i've seen a whole load of dents put in a car with one of these.
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Post  stevie b on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:15 pm

Im sure the Hibs casuals used to fold it so had a point on the paper.

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Post  Raymond Page on Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:31 pm

Cheers Ade
Never heard of them before,wouldn't like to get twotted with one,that's for sure.

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Post  David Turton on Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:57 am

the Fairburn/Sykes manual and teachings both taught that folded magazines etc were excellent improvised weapons way back

not that much new under the sun really

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Post  Perry Gamsby on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:41 am

Ade wrote:here you go....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millwall_brick

surprisingly robust things, I've seen a whole load of dents put in a car with one of these.
I usually just use the local newspaper and roll it then use it held in the middle and bludgeon with either end. I've never bent it over but I can see how that can add to the rigidity and heft. I heard the term used by my father and grandfather in he late 60s and early 70s. This for me calls into doubt the history given, that it was named after the Millwall F.C. hooligans. I was told Millwall was where the major newspapers used to be printed, hence the name. It could be Millwall has always been a tough area with the docks and so on but I am pretty sure the name pre-dates soccer hooliganism. I know my grandfather used to carry the newspaper rolled up as a weapon of defence back in the 1920s and even before WW1. He also had pins in the lapels of his jacket in case anyone grabbed them to throw in a head but.They would hurt their hands and give him a chance to sort them. In the back edge of his flat cap he had razor blades so he could whip off the cap and swing it, slashing away. He liked the Millwall brick because a lot of razor gangs got around back then and the weapon gave you a little range. Most razors were held in the fist, edge facing out over the knuckles and one finger holding it in place, then punched at the opponent in vicious hooking motions. I guess the streets are still as rough today as they were then in some places. Perry
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Post  David Turton on Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:49 pm

yeah

the sheffield gang wars showed some very violent weapons in the 1920's

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Post  Perry Gamsby on Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:45 am

David Turton wrote:yeah

the sheffield gang wars showed some very violent weapons in the 1920's
Which gang were you in Mr Turton?
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Post  Nick Hughes on Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:51 am

Dave was way too old to be in a gang by the time the 20s rolled around...come on now, fair crack of the whip.

He was a young man during the battle of Thermopylae...you should ask him about the weapons they used then. Very Happy

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Post  BN on Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:20 am

Dave was at the battle of Thermopylae. He kept changing sides depending on who was winning.
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Post  Perry Gamsby on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:04 pm

BN wrote:Dave was at the battle of Thermopylae. He kept changing sides depending on who was winning.
Was he the one that told King Leonides that "Our rear is under attack!" and was told, 'don't worry, you'll all get a turn'?
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Post  David Turton on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:21 am

love it guys

but get your facts straight, I was on holiday during that war

a confession .. it wasnt BARTON Wright who was the ju-jutsu man in Edwardian Britain it was TURTON (not always ) RIGHT

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