Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Jeff Menapace on Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:35 pm

Punch to the neck--not throat--is definitely a KO blow. Most Muay Thai schools will tell you to specifically aim your kicks to the neck as it reduces the chance of breaking the foot on the head, and the neck is a good KO spot.
avatar
Jeff Menapace

Number of posts : 921
Age : 45
Registration date : 2006-08-14

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Jeff Menapace on Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:38 pm

After watching that film a few times, I think he might have clipped the jaw as well. The guy's head did rotate some after being hit. Either way it was a damn good shot Laughing
avatar
Jeff Menapace

Number of posts : 921
Age : 45
Registration date : 2006-08-14

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  RoryQ on Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:03 pm

That's a fight from the MMA league, which is an Irish competition that runs a few times a year allowing people to get some experience fighting under MMA rules before actually going on a promotion. No headshots are allowed. My housemate has ref'd matches at it and he says that he disqualified one person for punching someone in the throat- he counted it as a headshot. They weren't injured. I showed him that clip and watching the slow mo we reckon it is also a throat shot, but it appears to clip the chin too.

AFAIK throat strikes are banned by the UFC in the same rules section that bans grabbing the trachea... Maybe some smaller promotions don't specifically ban them, dunno.

I guess my point would be that if they- throat shots that stop- do sometimes happen (and Google obviously does turn up some) then they are still in a minority versus the tremendous amount of people K.O'd and seriously injured by single punches. I'd still be inclined to look at them as a niche thing, maybe a bit low percentile?

RoryQ

Number of posts : 164
Localisation : Ireland
Registration date : 2009-01-12

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  PullupPastor on Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:27 pm

You blood thirty sods i cant believe some of you are actually condoning using throat strikes in a sporting match! Laughing

Why not wrap some barbed wire around there gloves while were at it Razz
avatar
PullupPastor

Number of posts : 1995
Registration date : 2006-08-15

View user profile http://www.kiva.org/

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Guest on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:19 pm

PullupPastor wrote:
Why not wrap some barbed wire around there gloves while were at it Razz

The ancient Greeks beat us to it, dude! Followed, of course, by Roma!

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Boxer.htm

Fancy getting punched with those bronze strips?

If that's not bad enough...fancy getting smacked in the face (or anywhere for that matter) with this....

http://www.artancient.com/roman-boxing-glove-p-102.html

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  BN on Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:43 pm

In Soviet Russia, techniques do you.
avatar
BN

Number of posts : 2010
Age : 43
Localisation : Moscow
Registration date : 2006-08-18

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Heres a clip

Post  theodore on Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:39 am


theodore

Number of posts : 143
Registration date : 2006-11-14

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  glenbotipton on Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:55 am

Yes i have used in the past the good ole palm strike and ear clapper but the toe bunt in the knacker bag if the most effective.

But joking apart the ear clapper is very effective
avatar
glenbotipton

Number of posts : 17
Age : 45
Localisation : Birmimgham
Registration date : 2010-01-05

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  stevetrains on Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:30 am

Eye gouges, biting and shredders many times. Yet to see knee breaks and clavicle breaks etc. However i did watch an old mate break a guys clavicle to peaces in an old "gang" fight many moons ago.....he was using a steel snap on powerbar mind you.
avatar
stevetrains

Number of posts : 371
Registration date : 2009-05-13

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Nick Hughes on Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:39 am

Actually collarbone is the easiest bone in the body to break. I suspect we don't see more of it because very few people target it.

I broke my sisters when I was nine scrapping over something. Doctor explained it's so fragile because it's like a fuse in a fuse box. If you fall and put your arms out (instinctive) the force would drive back up into the neck and cause damage so the collar bone is designed to break instead.

Nick
avatar
Nick Hughes

Number of posts : 3119
Localisation : USA
Registration date : 2006-08-14

View user profile http://www.kravmagalkn.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  SteveT on Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:11 pm

Nick Hughes wrote:Actually collarbone is the easiest bone in the body to break. I suspect we don't see more of it because very few people target it.

I broke my sisters when I was nine scrapping over something. Doctor explained it's so fragile because it's like a fuse in a fuse box. If you fall and put your arms out (instinctive) the force would drive back up into the neck and cause damage so the collar bone is designed to break instead.

Nick

That certainly corresponds to my experience, and that of a lot of my friends', falling off motorcycles.

SteveT

Number of posts : 353
Registration date : 2006-08-28

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  stevetrains on Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:16 am

Never knew that Nick, land on your shoulder after being thrown off your bike and you invariably break your collar bone, ouch!
avatar
stevetrains

Number of posts : 371
Registration date : 2009-05-13

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  S.R. Combatives on Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:10 pm

Thumb to the eye = VERY EFFECTIVE

Throat Punch = VERY EFFECTIVE & CAN CAUSE DEATH. Collapses the wind pipe and the person can choke to death and/or lose consciousness. Oxygen deprivation causes death.

Collar Bone Strike = Breaking bones or dislocating a joint is relatively easy to do, but you must be of a mindset to execute.

Any soft tissue or joints on the body are susceptible to severe damage with little effort. The amount of damage inflicted depends on the mental state of the person delivering the blows.

S.R. Combatives

Number of posts : 4
Localisation : USA
Registration date : 2010-01-23

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Gappy on Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:44 pm

Hi S.R. Welcome to the forum- The thing is, any fool can type in bold to attempt to make a point more valid.

But the question remains- have you used these simple techniques for real?
avatar
Gappy

Number of posts : 620
Age : 59
Localisation : Land of Frogs
Registration date : 2007-08-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Guest on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:11 am

No!

Laughing

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  David Turton on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:15 am

are you as dubious as I am as to our new member?

David Turton
Moderator

Number of posts : 854
Age : 70
Localisation : south yorkshire
Registration date : 2008-03-10

View user profile http://www.asmaa.org.uk

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Guest on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:17 am

Yes!

Laughing

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  BN on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:30 am

Kaarl/Flash? Is that you? Suspect
avatar
BN

Number of posts : 2010
Age : 43
Localisation : Moscow
Registration date : 2006-08-18

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Putrid on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:35 am

He seems to be genuine.He has been in martial arts since 1969 and was the founder of a higlhy regarded combatives system in 1982,trained cops and other operators.

Putrid

Number of posts : 143
Registration date : 2009-06-18

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Gappy on Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:09 am

Uravinalarf, Tony.
avatar
Gappy

Number of posts : 620
Age : 59
Localisation : Land of Frogs
Registration date : 2007-08-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Putrid on Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:27 am

PaulGappyNorris wrote:Uravinalarf, Tony.

Oh,I forgot to add,he was seconded to the SAS whilst serving in Delta Force. Laughing Everyone has to be in the SAS if they want to be taken seriously.

Seriously though,give the guy a chance as he has just joined the forum and might want to clarify the statement he has posted above.

Putrid

Number of posts : 143
Registration date : 2009-06-18

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Gappy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:38 pm

Is there anywhere on the web that has accounts of 'real' military CQC and the 'techniques' that have been used in an operational environment, with 'real' people giving their account of what they used?

I don't mean the plethora of 'Bob I'm in the SAS' types of rubbish, but genuine (if such a thing exists) accounts of actual hand-to-hand, and fight for your life stuff....
avatar
Gappy

Number of posts : 620
Age : 59
Localisation : Land of Frogs
Registration date : 2007-08-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Guest on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:59 am

I asked the same of the old World War 2 Combatives crowd a few years ago.

They traded on their "proven in batle" claims... but none at all were forthcoming, and asking the question meant I was making trouble.

The nearest they got was "It must have worked or no one would have survived." That's what I call nonsense.

Also, if any old soldier fights off a group of tearaways in modern Britain that is "proof" of the efficiency of WW2 Combatives, regardless of wehther or not the old soldier was shown to have trained in it.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Guest on Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:29 am

PaulGappyNorris wrote:Is there anywhere on the web that has accounts of 'real' military CQC and the 'techniques' that have been used in an operational environment, with 'real' people giving their account of what they used?

Firstly, just what is 'military CQC' when all is said and done? Many try - desperately - to establish it as being a distinct 'system' of fighting, reserved for soldiers and the like, and they miss the point completely. Military close-quarter combat is a situation that you might find yourself in as a soldier, not the means you use to resolve it - these means are just called 'fighting' and are no different to what a tinker, tailor or candlestick-maker would use if fighting for their lives.

So all these 'military CQC' techniques are the same punches, kicks, gouges and headbutts seen in every single fight, regardless of occupation - however the more dramatic amongst us might want to say differently.

Is there a special forces method of punching someone in the head? A commando version of a kick to the balls? Of course not, and the only military 'specialisation' is when you add an inert carbine into the mix as an impact weapon, and maybe a pistol or fixed knife to transition to.

It's the situation that earns the 'military' title, not the methods that are employed.

Do close combat techniques get used operationally? Of course they do, and always have, but as for being 'battle-tested' as claimed, you'll find that thumb in the eye, choke, right hook, uppercut, et al, was already well proven way before some commando had it presented in a few hours as an 'interest period' to give him a break from the real training...

Mick

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Gappy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:23 am

re: CQC - I was using the term loosely, and yes, all kicking, punching biting etc. is the same regardless of 'labels' ..but the question remains the same.

I should add, having met quite a few ex-forces, I've personally never met anyone from the military who was forthcoming with their accounts of 'close encounter' with an enemy. Almost all of them either didn't have any recollection of any specific technique, or, were reluctant to recall the event as it wasn't a pleasant experience. Not one of them portrayed the 'I'm a tough B'stard and listen to my stories' attitude.
avatar
Gappy

Number of posts : 620
Age : 59
Localisation : Land of Frogs
Registration date : 2007-08-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Who has actually done these techniches for real?

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum