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Post  steve morris on Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:23 am

Here's a thread to put video clips on. They can be personal clips, or things you've found on the internet.

The purpose of the thread is to get all of you to start to think like a trainer thinks when he looks at a fight or at a training method, or a skill from another sport. I want you to learn to break down what you're seeing into the components that are relevant to the fight, and to understand how a particular clip addresses a given component. By component I mean the psychological, physiological, physical, biomechanical, tactical/strategic, skills, scenario/situational aspects of what you're seeing.

We need to learn to break down the clip into its relevant components, and then feed that information back into our training.

Let's take a recent example. Nick Forrer posted this. http://selfprotection.lightbb.com/q-a-with-steve-morris-f16/something-to-try-and-emulate-t5962.htm

We could take a clip like this and really examine it from many angles. Arthur picked up on the transitions. Arthur, it's by watching clips like this that I devise drills which will specifically address transitions and executing submissions within those transitions. I have lots of these drills. But the drill isn't just plucked out of thin air.

I get it by analysis of clips like this. I look to find a shortcut to train a particular aspect that I observe to be significant in the fight. As a trainer, I borrow from the experiences of fighters like Genki Sudo.

So I want you to begin to do the same. And it's going to be really hard. But on this thread, post clips that you think highlight a particular component.

Here's another idea. For example, Jon Law has got a PhD in sports science. He's an expert in that field. Let's say he wanted to make the point about conservation of momentum theory, the transference of momentum from one part of the body to another so as to increase, say, the velocity of a limb. He might use the example of a baseball pitcher to illustrate what's actually taking place. Now, you can see the principle in action and begin to transfer that principle to your own action.

So rather than relying upon me, you now understand the principle and you can train yourself. That's all I do. I look everywhere for information that could be relevant, I pick on the principle, and I apply it to my training. Then of course, I test it--that's where a lot of martial arts fall down.

So this is a serious educational thread. Anything you post here, be clear about what it is you're seeing in the clip that you want others to see. Don't just say, 'here's an interesting clip, what do you think?'

We have a lot of different viewpoints here, from people with different backgrounds and different experiences, and there's an opportunity to learn from one another. So, taking again the imaginary post by Jon Law of the baseball pitcher. If you want to come in with more information, then provide a clip that adds to the discussion and doesn't just give more examples of baseball pitchers. For example, you might be able to find a clip that shows a fighter 'throwing' a shot, that shows the principle in action in a fight. Or you might find a clip of a training method that can help to improve the understanding and application of that principle.

So I'm really asking you to work hard on this one. I want you not to just talk about principles, but to show your understanding of them. This is how you go forward. This is the short cut.

Try it.
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Post  arthur meek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:51 am

I think this is a great idea, Rob Mac just read through it a couple of times and you will get the idea. I will be putting something up soon, for example I am a southpaw fighter so some of the things I do are a little different than what I see being taught around me. Recently I have been watching some Jens Pulver training/ fighting and I can picture myself through his movement because of his southpaw approach. It works for me, but maybe not for someone else. Also, I think there are different ways of learning stuff but we don't always see it the first time. We have been doing some clinch work at Primal but I don't always pick up all the information cos we move through the gears pretty swiftly therefore by looking at the Pulver training stuff I get a reminder. As I said I'll put something up shortly.

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Post  arthur meek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:10 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKd-mB,2vIdI
Here you go a southpaw approach, stalking, working to his right ready to unload with the left, but covering anything coming from the orthodox right side attacks. Shame about the hairstyle!

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Post  arthur meek on Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:35 am

Furthermore, I'm on a roll now, if you watch Pulver's training piece on dirty boxing he punches his way into a clinch with his left arm by leading with his head to the right, away from the opponents right side. Ideal for us lefties!

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Post  JonLaw on Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:27 pm

i know i shouldnt post but its doing my head in, this is all i got from that link Arthur

The URL contained a malformed video ID

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Post  steve morris on Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:53 pm

Jon you can post, all the primal regulars are on the roll call from the clip i put up a couple of months ago. Did that purposely so you guys wouldn't have to go to the trouble of organizing your own clip.

Yeah, I couldn't get Arthur's clip either.
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Post  arthur meek on Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:06 am

I need some help here guys, I've copied and pasted the address but no go, so all I can say is check out Jens Pulver versus Dai Chang Lang on you tube to get some idea of what I'm on about. Another thing he does is slips his lead right hand in to clinch the neck then feed it to his left arm for what would normally be a guillotine but here its set up for knees etc. Again, ideal for southpaws.

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Post  steve morris on Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:08 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKd-mB2vIdI

seems to work ok now, definitely works on the search on you tube
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Re: Think like a trainer

Post  Nick Forrer on Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:37 pm

Hi guys

Found these clips

You can clearly see Steves points about red zone, half man, safe entries etc explained here (although in not quite the same terminology)

It also gives the lie to the notion (promoted by one so called expert on these forums) that to shoot you have to place your knee on the floor - the implication being that on the street you will end up with a broken knee cap (not true - as the clip shows).

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KnpYwPkslH0&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HCsmSZsZnsg
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Post  MikeB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:01 am

Nick Forrer wrote:It also gives the lie to the notion (promoted by one so called expert on these forums) that to shoot you have to place your knee on the floor - the implication being that on the street you will end up with a broken knee cap (not true - as the clip shows).

His point was that, on the street, you will end up fighting as you train.

If you train to shoot in with your knee hitting the floor, then this is what will come out when the sh*t hits the fan.

Obviously you can shoot without your knee hitting the ground Rolling Eyes

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Post  Nick Forrer on Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:44 am

Nick Forrer wrote:Hi guys

Found these clips

You can clearly see Steves points about red zone, half man, safe entries etc explained here (although in not quite the same terminology)

It also gives the lie to the notion (promoted by one so called expert on these forums) that to shoot you have to place your knee on the floor - the implication being that on the street you will end up with a broken knee cap (not true - as the clip shows).

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KnpYwPkslH0&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HCsmSZsZnsg


Here GSP does the technique not once but twice at 25 secs and at 5 mins in

No doubt GSP trains both the knee on floor and not on floor variations Wink

http://www.mmascraps.com/2008/04/matt-serra-vs-georges-st-pierre-video.html
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Re: Think like a trainer

Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:51 am

Here GSP does the technique not once but twice at 25 secs and at 5 mins in

Nick,

I think I watch the same in this GSP fight at 08:40, counter one direct punch.
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