Taikiken/Yi Chuan sparring

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Post  Luciano Imoto on Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xifsGmBhu6U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8XMWG4Leo&feature=related

Mr. Morris´s japanese bro!
Sorry, I don´t resist!
But aside this joke Mr. Morris, can you talk about the clips above?
In past I trained Taikiken and its mother art, the Yi Chuan, because I read about the influence of both in Kyokushin karate.

P.S.: Chinese Yi Chuan also have a type of movement dance translated to english like "Health Dance". The same to old Aikijitsu with "Odori" (folk dance from shamanic origin). Maybe this free movements like natural dance was the REAL KATA before their sequences to be choreographed and patterned...
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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:20 pm

Well I await Steve's reply because I for one don't get it confused
Maybe I'll learn something.

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Post  bob on Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:51 pm

That guy would get fuckin creamed at primal!

He's going at a pace that does not reflect the level of ferocity in a real fight, he's practicing for an encounter that only exists in his (& maybe his students) imagination.

Maybe Im missing something but it looked like rubbish to me.

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Post  Luciano Imoto on Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:58 pm

...and also looked like rubbish to me, but I yet was trained (and abandoned) this stuff in past, like Steve Morris trained Sanchin posture in past too...
Again, you lost the point, Ken. tongue

I wish read the personal view point of Mr. Morris about this guys because he know this types of hibrid "internal" martial arts after more than 40 years of intense martial history (see his biography in Morrisnoholdsbarred.co.uk).
Much better than me or you, if I can said (no offense).
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Post  bob on Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:22 pm

...and also looked like rubbish to me, but I yet was trained (and abandoned) this stuff in past, like Steve Morris trained Sanchin posture in past too...
Again, you lost the point, Ken.

I didnt lose any point Luciano, we are simply reading from a 'different page'.

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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:41 am

...or from a "different perspective".
Ken, you are in direct train under Steve Morris and with Primal team. I respect your personal opinion based in your live experience with this coache and yours partners.
Like I said before, Steve Morris found this "chinese martial / masters" in past and he saw some type of Hsing Yi Chuan performance in that land.
Hsing Yi is the mother-art of Yi Chuan and Taikiken...
But if he don´t want to talk about this specific topic, I will understand.
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Post  Rob Mac on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:03 am

Well, I fancy my chances with that one. Twisted Evil
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:12 am

I agree Rob Laughing
In a famous match in which some of the local Yi Chuan boys challenged the Beijing free-fighting (San Da or “San Shou Tao”) team, the average match lasted only about 13 seconds before the Yi Chuan practitioner was defeated.
But a problem with this chinese guys (except Cung Lee, a vietnamese, with some crazy looking takedowns Twisted Evil ) is their poor groundfight ability.
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Post  Rob Mac on Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:58 am

I can see many problems,chiefly he's (edited to now say 'not very effective')
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:08 am

(except Cung Lee, a vietnamese, with some crazy looking takedowns).

But I´m skeptic if you will know the racial difference between a vietnamese and a chinese man.
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:17 am

Luciano, you are Brazilian right? Would you like me to refer to you as a Mexican? Or Spanish?

No Bloody "Lee" Nuisance: but you will conquer an enemy if you refer to me (or any brazilian guy)as a Argentine tongue
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:22 am

...Although I like to much "Argentine" tango Wink
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:32 am

We kicked your arses in the Falklands!

Who? Chinese or british?

p.s. How's the weather in Argentina?

Cold What a Face
...but in Brazil, very, very hot sunny

Well, lets return to the thread (not "threat"):
I agree, no intensity or urgency, but is it possible to hide this mindset?
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Post  Luciano Imoto on Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:38 am

Do you know about "cold fury"? This term was used in knife fighting to translate one different mindset to combat: internal salvagery covered by an external layer of calm and non frenetic action.
Sometimes this attitude (or stratagem) seems realy slow, lazy and broked in rhythm, but some men can simulate this state very easy. So, in a shimmering blade movement...
You are dead!

Well, if this works good in knife fighting...

Without proper intent there can be no attack, no urgency to defend oneself, no motivation to stay alive. I understand it. So why then do we train MMA attacks in the same way as ordinary sparring, when real encounters are assaults dependent on surprise and your lack of preparation? If you were to spar with your classmate, would you start to attack him while he is busy putting on his gloves or when he’s at the urinal? Thats how a real attack works. It’s unfair, scary and usually occurs when you least expect it. In a dojo however, you are already psychologically aware and prepared for any attack, and the chances of you succeeding in your defense will be greater just because you know your opponent will not possess the intent found in a typical street encounter. We tend to overlook that factor most of the time when we train.
So, this is "why" I put that clip of taikiken/yiquan guys.

P.S.: Dylan, the brazilian government helped the british in Malvinas... So we are allies against the Argentin! cheers
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Post  steve morris on Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:49 am

In principle, what the guy's doing is seeking or making a bridge, which is central to many Chinese systems. You're looking to inititate contact, or retaliate against contact made on the arm--that's assuming that there will be contact made on the arm, and that's a big assumption.

This fixed antennae position, a bit like an insect feeling his way through the dark, is full of holes. It's not adjusting to uppercuts, crosses, and insertions for Muay Thai clinch. It's too wide.

The bridging idea we've already spoken about in hand fighting. It's something that occurs dynamically within the situation, and it only lasts for a moment.

This guy against a good fighter will get torn apart. And it's also too clumsy. Personally I don't believe it's a good representation of Hsing-I.
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Re: Taikiken/Yi Chuan sparring

Post  Luciano Imoto on Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:11 am

Yes, that neichia representants not improved their "arts" over the inherited old models of their ancestors. Unfortunate.
But the time don´t stop!
And that your interview in MAI probate it.
I´m delighted with the recognition of your work.
Thanks Mr. Morris, that´s all.
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