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Post  HardTimes on Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:37 pm

Hi Steve. I've been an avid reader of your site for quite a while and love your no nonsense approach to the MA, it's great that you've now taken the leap onto a forum.

You made me really look at my practice, which eventually made me move away from my "traditional" karate training to something which I consider to have a more realistic approach, I in effect "burnt my gi" cheers

Initially my practice just became a modified stripped karate practice but I'd like to think that it has moved on quite considerably since then.

Recently I found a real kick arse instructor who really showed me the error of my ways for the past 15 years or so. He put a lot of things into perspective for me with his real fight experience.

And this is the point of my post all my martial arts training has been tested in a dojo/ gym, I'm lacking the real fight experience that my instructor and the likes of yourself have experienced and due to my introvert nature am unlikely to experience. This leaves a nagging doubt in the back of my mind, sometimes I wonder if I practice the right "sport" as I wouldn't really consider myself a fighter despite my enthusiasm and "ability" in the martial arts.

Do you think that you can become an effective fighter just from fighting in the gym? Also do you think that the martial arts can or should be practiced for reasons other than becoming an effective fighter? I vaguely recall reading an interview you did where you said your reason for practicing martial arts was "self perfection" (or something similar).

Thanks for your time. I look forward to your response.

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Post  HardTimes on Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:45 am

I've been dwelling on this question for a couple of days now and have come to the realization that the vast majority of martial artists are in the same boat as me.

I read this forum and others, plus the many articles on the net and in mags and it seems so anal. All these questions about should I train this or that, training for a fight that may never happen and if it does then very much of what has been fretted over and trained for years will may not make the slightest of difference, the majority of questions just seem irrelevant or insignificant, perhaps this question also belongs in that category.

With all due respect I doubt that even you are training now to ensure that you come out on top in an altercation. Actually I was thinking you was as hard as nails when you was younger and probably didn't need to learn martial arts to be a good fighter. With the amount of skill and knowledge you have you could tare me apart with your little finger whilst blind folded, but what inspired you to become so complete? What was it that made you dedicate your life to the pursuit of understanding the fight?

In all honesty a lot of your work goes straight over my head, its so deep and involved I think that I'm just too thick to get it, that said though I have still drawn very much from it. But despite not having or comprehending depth of knowledge I can still have a half decent scrap and come out on top, well in the gym at least Very Happy

What drives us? Why are we so interested in "fighting"?

No offense is meant by any of the above, I'm just typing out loud actually it's turned into quite a ramble and for that I also apologize.

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Post  steve morris on Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:43 am

The first question is simple: can you become a good fighter by fighting only in the gym? Of course you can. But it depends on what youíre doing in the gym. The most important thing which Iíve noticed is lacking in the martial arts is the mindset. Everybody concentrates on conditioning, which is obviously important, skills, tactics, strategies. But the mindset is an area that seems to be avoided, and itís an area thatís particularly important for guys who go into the gym without fight experience, and who often have a Ďvictimí mindset.

Many fighters Iíve known, including myself, have a violent, destructive mindset which makes them capable of making even the simplest skill work. And because of that mindset, they are effective fighters. The conditioning, athleticism, skills, tactics and strategies can obviously make them more effective, but without that mindset all of those other factors are academic.

In fact Iíve got a theory, and Mick Coupís got a similar one, that in such a mind frame such a person could beat you unconscious with a cuddly toy.

Itís the mindset which is usually the most difficult to achieve if you havenít got it already. This is either because the program in the club is skill-oriented in the belief that a skilful practictioner could overcome one of theses natural born killer types, or because the instructor hasnít got a way by which he can arouse that necessary mindset. He might have it himself, but he often doesnít know how to pass it on.

With my own trainees, I make mindset the most important point of the training. Some students have even talked about going through the ĎMorris psychosisí! Itís the most valuable thing I can pass on to the student. I make him focus on picking up and emulating my violence on every level. When I perform, I perform very violently. I donít perform passively. I

f the student has difficulty picking up on that energy, what I try to do is encourage them to engage in some form of violent action. E.g. smashing a medicine ball into the ground repeatedly. Beating a tire with a pick handle or baseball bat. And they do this with a destructive mental image.

I want them to understand the arousal mechanism as well as the physical effort associated with that level of violence. I want them to become familiar with how it feels to be performing a violent act with the total body engagement.

I also encourage them to watch violent fights, so they can empathise and pick up on the mindset and energy of the fighters. And all my drills and conditional fighting are designed to let it really go, no holding back. Iíve found a way of doing that high-intensity, short-duration work safely. I teach how you to switch it on and also switch it off.

This is the kind of thing I meant when I talked about self-mastery. Mine is mastery over a violent mind. Yours is trying to achieve that violent mind, and gain control over it so you can switch it on and off at will.

Again, like Mick says, you wouldnít want to be inside our heads!! From your point of view, getting that Ďpartially psychoticí attitude is enough for the fight.

Why did I do so much training? I like to fight. Everything I did from the time I became a boy soldier in 1959 and had many opportunities to fight, was all about fighting and being able to fight better. And it hasnít changed ever since. Itís only that Iíve got involved in training people. But the fundamental motivation is exactly the same, and it will always be the same. Thatís how my early childhood made me. Iíve got no choice. The martial arts were a way not to turn that into something spiritual, but to give that aggression a more positive outlet; i.e., to train it.

My personal belief is that the challenge of doing that at nearly 64 is the thing that keeps me young. In my head, Iím no different to when I was a young guy. Nothingís changed.

Thatís just my personal take. Why other people do it, thatís up to them.
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Post  HardTimes on Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:29 am

Thank you for your reply. I had a conversation with my instructor and he made very similar comments to you, which is encouraging! He told me that just being around him and training with him I will soon adopt the correct mindset needed for fighting, although he has made promises of a few drills to raise my "spirit".

Thanks again I will take heed of your words and apply them to my training.

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Post  cfadeftac on Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:39 pm

Mr. Morris,

What do you think of the use of weapons for instilling the predator mind set? In the Filipino art that I practice I found the work with live machetes really intensified a nasty mindset that may be a little to extreme for most encounters.

Andrew

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Post  Bob Wright on Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:58 pm

Steve, just short and brief.

I've seen guys with very limited techniques but a powerful "mind set", their will power enough to make you literally vomit. Shoot them, and if it doesn't work then hail a taxi and keep away.

Then others (too many sadly) who stretch and preen themselves but soon as they cop the thick ear..........they're gone! Suspect

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