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stevetrains



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PostSubject: The human stun gun   Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:18 pm

This has probably been posted before but it's the stories of fights, being knifed and best of all the gun jamming/misfiring when it was rammed up his nose..

I'd like to know when this was and if it was a long long time ago if it happened at all to be honest.
Of the thousands and thousands of rounds i have fired over the years possibly more, i have only once, just once had a misfire and only ever had a couple of stoppages when using sub-sonic rounds.

There are a lot of hero stories about the gun jamming or whatever at the last minute and being old Mr cynical think this bollock has utilised an old favourite to enhance his background, yes..no?

Or am i just a torn faced miserable old cynic?

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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:33 pm

in regards to jamming, misfiring or more likely the gun being out of battery, it can be a little more common than some might believe. I have read stats as high as 15% when the weapon was used with a muzzle strike or was interfered with in some way. That is why they even made things like this. http://www.omegaoptions.com/products.html

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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:45 pm

Interesting bit of kit that. But surely a reasonably well maintained firearm rammed up your nostril will discharge regardless?

I remeber learning years ago about the strong possibilty of shotgun barrels exploding if blocked by even a small section of snow so I can appreciate what your getting at. Just seems like another load of bollocks spouted to impress the naive.
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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:03 pm

Well I was toying with 2 of my weapons...

Pressing the weapon into someones back for instance...

With my Colt 1911, if the slide moved as little as 1/8 of an inch (3mm) it would not fire, and that little movement has not even effected the breech at that point at all.

On the other hand My Sig P226 could move considerably and still fire, right up until the point that the breech was compromised.

So I would guess that it really depends on the quality of the weapon and as you stated, how well cared for it is.

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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:34 pm

Perhaps it is possible then. The back being a flat surface more or less I could see how this might prevent it firing if pushed in.
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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:08 pm

such things happen

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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:30 pm

Well I suppose the it IS possible depending on the make and model of the weapon and the level of maintenance.
We are assuming this was a LONG time ago going by how long the guy has actually been training, being a petty criminal the weapon and ammunition could well been cheap and quite old. The user may have had the weapon for years without proper maintenance, they may not have understood how to properly make ready a pistol for firing (which is very unlikely but lots of people do make silly assumptions).
I have seen magazines that have been left loaded for far too long lose all spring tension and malfunction, especialy with low grade manufacturing but in this case the top round would most likely still be fed to the chamber and you would have a stoppage on the second round rather than first.
The 2 most likely explanations in my opinion are
1- The assailant didnt intent to murder someone for no reason and was just getting his kicks from dominating someone and seeing the expression on his face.
2- The guy is indeed making things up.
Again we are back to the stage hypnotism concept. I have a friend who does this proffessionaly and he also only uses about 40% of people for his act and volunteers who want it to work are normaly the ones on whom it does work, VERY effectivly. I do have a friend who used an instant induction technique in a real self protection situation but I have a feeling the aggressor was just more weirded out than anything else!
Its all a bit too 'Men Who Stare At Goats' for me!
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PostSubject: Re: The human stun gun   Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:33 pm

Well I suppose the it IS possible depending on the make and model of the weapon and the level of maintenance.
We are assuming this was a LONG time ago going by how long the guy has actually been training, being a petty criminal the weapon and ammunition could well been cheap and quite old. The user may have had the weapon for years without proper maintenance, they may not have understood how to properly make ready a pistol for firing (which is very unlikely but lots of people do make silly assumptions).
I have seen magazines that have been left loaded for far too long lose all spring tension and malfunction, especialy with low grade manufacturing but in this case the top round would most likely still be fed to the chamber and you would have a stoppage on the second round rather than first.
The 2 most likely explanations in my opinion are
1- The assailant didnt intent to murder someone for no reason and was just getting his kicks from dominating someone and seeing the expression on his face.
2- The guy is indeed making things up.
Again we are back to the stage hypnotism concept. I have a friend who does this proffessionaly and he also only uses about 40% of people for his act and volunteers who want it to work are normaly the ones on whom it does work, VERY effectivly. I do have a friend who used an instant induction technique in a real self protection situation but I have a feeling the aggressor was just more weirded out than anything else!
Its all a bit too 'Men Who Stare At Goats' for me!
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